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Tuesday, October 25, 2011
Well, the results on the non binding vote on whether we should have a referendum on membership of the EU is in - defeated by 483 to 111. At least there's 111 people in Parliament who are not enemies of allowing Britain its democratic right to choose.
As was inevitable, Labour and Liberal mostly voted against, along with the majority of Tories. However 81 Tories did defy the three line whip imposed by David Cameron, there's a list at the end of this story to see if your Tory MP had the guts to stand up and be counted and voted to allow you a say on the EU.
We should note also 19 Labour MP's and 1 Lib Dem MP also backed the motion and the publics right to decide.
Kudos to those who favoured giving us a say and voted accordingly. Shame on the majority of Tories, and the Labour and Liberal parties, who would deny us that democratic right.
Although the referendum proposal was soundly defeated, the rebellion highlights a Tory party increasingly divided over the EU, and a Tory leadership which is out of touch with many of its members not to mention public opinion.
Of course David Cameron has said that he's yearning for EU reform, and firmly committed to repatriating powers, his actions say differently though. And, after the next election, it's all the pro EU Liberal Democrats fault, it always is. The joys of a coalition government, we would have done it, but our partner party stopped us. It's the political equivalent of a get out of jail free card.
Where's democracy anyway when Dave had to order his MP's to vote a certain way - why not a free vote? Scared of the answer you'd get Dave?
Cameron, Clegg, and Milliband. Tory, Liberal, Labour. All puppets on the EU string. None of them are going to give us a say.
Sadly we, the voters, and those Tory MP's who were brave enough to stand by their principles in the face of Camerons three line whip bullying, had best wake up to the fact - we'll never be given a say by the usual suspects, the EU nightmare is here to stay.
Those MP's, and we the voters, had best start looking for other parties to back if serious about getting given the right to democratically decide on our future relations with the EU. Tory, Labour, Liberal will all make sure we never get a voice.
That's democracy for you, our wishes don't matter a damn.
Steven Baker (Wycombe)
John Baron (Basildon and Billericay)
Andrew Bingham (High Peak)
Brian Binley (Northampton South)
Bob Blackman (Harrow East)
Peter Bone (Wellingborough)
Graham Brady (Altrincham and Sale West)
Andrew Bridgen (North West Leicestershire)
Steve Brine (Winchester)
Fiona Bruce (Congleton)
Dan Byles (North Warwickshire)
Douglas Carswell (Clacton)
Bill Cash (Stone)
Christopher Chope (Christchurch)
James Clappison (Hertsmere)
Tracey Crouch (Chatham and Aylesford)
David TC Davies (Monmouth)
Philip Davies (Shipley)
David Davis (Haltemprice and Howden)
Nick de Bois (Enfield North)
Caroline Dinenage (Gosport)
Nadine Dorries (Mid Bedfordshire)
Richard Drax (South Dorset)
Mark Field (Cities of London and Westminster)
Lorraine Fullbrook (South Ribble)
Zac Goldsmith (Richmond Park)
James Gray (North Wiltshire)
Chris Heaton-Harris (Daventry)
Gordon Henderson (Sittingbourne and Sheppey)
George Hollingberry (Meon Valley)
Philip Hollobone (Kettering)
Adam Holloway (Gravesham)
Stewart Jackson (Peterborough)
Bernard Jenkin (Harwich and North Essex)
Marcus Jones (Nuneaton)
Chris Kelly (Dudley South)
Andrea Leadsom (South Northamptonshire)
Jeremy Lefroy (Stafford)
Edward Leigh (Gainsborough)
Julian Lewis (New Forest East)
Karen Lumley (Redditch)
Dr Sarah Wollaston (Totnes)
Jason McCartney (Colne Valley)
Karl McCartney (Lincoln)
Stephen McPartland (Stevenage)
Anne Main (St Albans)
Patrick Mercer (Newark)
Nigel Mills (Amber Valley)
Anne Marie Morris (Newton Abbot)
James Morris (Halesowen and Rowley Regis)
Stephen Mosley (City of Chester)
Sheryll Murray (South East Cornwall)
Caroline Nokes (Romsey and Southampton North)
David Nuttall (Bury North)
Matthew Offord (Hendon)
Neil Parish (Tiverton and Honiton)
Priti Patel (Witham)
Andrew Percy (Brigg and Goole)
Mark Pritchard (The Wrekin)
Mark Reckless (Rochester and Strood)
John Redwood (Wokingham)
Jacob Rees-Mogg (North East Somerset)
Simon Reevell (Dewsbury)
Laurence Robertson (Tewkesbury)
Andrew Rossindell (Romford)
Richard Shepherd (Aldridge-Brownhills)
Henry Smith (Crawley)
John Stevenson (Carlisle)
Bob Stewart (Beckenham)
Gary Streeter (South West Devon)
Julian Sturdy (York Outer)
Sir Peter Tapsell (Louth and Horncastle)
Justin Tomlinson (North Swindon)
Andrew Turner (Isle of Wight)
Martin Vickers (Cleethorpes)
Charles Walker (Broxbourne)
Robin Walker (Worcester)
Heather Wheeler (South Derbyshire)
Craig Whittaker (Calder Valley)
John Whittingdale (Maldon)
Monday, October 24, 2011
As the vote - non binding of course, think Dave Cameron will listen to an answer he doesn't like? - on whether to hold an EU referendum draws closer, seems Dave is busy in 'informal talks' to make sure that the majority of Tories vote the way he wants them to.
Meanwhile, Ed Who?, ahh yes, Ed Miliband, is busily telling anyone who can stay awake long enough to listen that Dave Cameron is putting party interest before national interest.
Does that mean Labour MP's have been instructed to vote in favour of the proposals for a referendum then, and would then follow on by supporting allowing Britain a referendum in reality and not just undertake a party political manoeuvre to humiliate the Tories?
Of course it doesn't. Pot. Kettle. Black. No offence meant, hope that isn't considered a racist remark for the thought Gestapo to leap upon.
None of the big three parties are putting national interest or Britains wishes first.
Despite numerous polls showing that the majority of Britain wishes for a referendum, or to leave the EU, not a lot happens, those running the show ignore the voice of the country.
If that many voters were clamouring to pay more taxes, or to give MP's a pay rise for doing such a brilliant job, does anyone think it would have taken this long - not to mention a vote with a non binding outcome as to whether we even get a vote - for politicians to have acted?
Of course it wouldn't, truth is they only listen when we're saying what they want to hear.
Hopefully todays vote will humiliate Cameron and put him in a difficult position, as well as strengthening calls for a referendum. If possible we'll list the MP's who had the courage to vote to give us a referendum once results are in.
But....most likely there's a back room deal which will see some limp promise to renegotiate terms of membership, and to claw back the odd power, in exchange for a vote against a referendum. Probably "when the time is right" too. Hollow words, don't expect action to follow, it's just a sop to try and avoid a Commons humiliation.
Even if todays vote goes the way of those wanting out of the EU, or if they at least manage a decent showing, does anyone think Cameron and the rest of Parliament will deliver on actually giving us a say, especially when we already know the outcome of todays vote is not binding - but of course will be binding if calls for a referendum are soundly defeated.
Today will most likely turn out to be more about David Cameron and the woes it will cause him in the face of a possible large rebellion from Tory MP's rather than whether or not we, the people, will ever get a say.
Let's hope we're proven wrong for once. Rumours are that despite Dave Camerons best efforts the number of Tories who will rebel is growing at least.
Wednesday, October 19, 2011
Cameron To Order Tories To Vote Against EU Referendum Motion
0 comments Posted by barongan at 11:58 AM
One day, just one day, Dhimmi Dave Cameron will do something to shock voters. Not today though, no big surprise that Conservative MP's are to be ordered to vote against proposals for a referendum on Europe.
Camerons decision to impose a three line whip is somewhat ironic given the fact that the vote on the referendum motion arose from rules which ConDem claimed would give backbenchers more freedom.
Guess what backbenchers? You've as much freedom as the rest of us, the only time you'll really get a say is when the leadership know that you will say what they want.
Under the motion, the proposed referendum would offer voters three choices on the UK's future within (or without) the EU.
A/ remain a member of the EU on the current terms B/ leave the EU C/ renegotiate the terms of its membership in order to create a new relationship based on trade and co-operation.
The outcome of such a referendum - if held fairly - is already known, it most definitely won't be option A, and that's exactly the reason why so many among the big parties leaderships will fight tooth and nail to make sure that the UK never gets a say.
There may be some huffing and puffing from Eurosceptic Tories, but that's about where it will end. Cameron and his three line whip is already ensuring exactly how the vote will go, and there's little hope Labour will decide to support the motion in order to humiliate Dhimmi Dave.
Even if - miracle of miracles - the motion is successful, the result is still non binding. There will be no referendum offered, it's as simple as that.
At most, should the motion succeed, Dhimmi Dave will promise to listen to the result, and maybe to do something "when the time is right". The rest of us might well read that as "Do nothing until we're in opposition, then claim we'd have honoured demands for a referendum and hope the electorate buy it enough to vote us back in". After all, Dhimmi Dave has a track record on that.
We're staying in the EU under Liberal, Labour, or Conservative, it is that simple, and we'll never be given our say on it. All three of the usual suspect parties already know that they'd not like the answer we'd give.
Go on Tories, prove us wrong. Ignore Cameron, make a gesture and let Britain know you support our right to have a say on Europe.
Tuesday, September 13, 2011
When it comes to our happiness then David Cameron just won't give up. No, not trying to make us happy, rather devising ways to measure how happy we are.
Whereas Dave could just arm himself with a tenner - oops, better make that thirty or forty quid, seems the price of everything is going up - and pop into a pub or two to ask people, instead the latest crackpot scheme seems to be getting people to keep a happiness diary.
People will be encouraged to record what they eat, when and for how long they sleep, how much television they watch, and just about every detail of their lives.
The scheme aims to get 14,000 people to fill in time diaries, and for 4,000 of those to say what activities made them happy or unhappy.
Err, filling out this stupid diary every day didn't do a lot for my happiness Dave.
Nor, for that matter, does the thought of having big brother snoop at every single thing I do, or of handing over all that personal information to the state.
The barmy scheme is expected to cost £1.5million, and there could well be repeat surveys whenever it is decided that the nations happiness need measuring.
That's on top of the £2million of our money already spent on a previous survey to identify the things which made people happy.
Said survey revealed such unexpected shocks as friends, family, health, and job satisfaction, were important to people. Who would have thought it?
A great use of our money at a time of cutbacks Dave, are you sure that hoody you were hugging didn't manage to slip something in your coffee?
Instead of clowning around with gimmicks, do something that will fix the mess Britain is in - that would make us happy.
Now, where'd I put that happiness diary, I need to write down the wonderful dream I had where Lib/Lab/Con all got trounced at the polls, the three stooges, aka Nick, Ed, n Dave, all quit politics in shame, and we got a decent government that put Britain and the British people at the top of the agenda.
That sure made me happy, although sad too when I woke up and it was just a dream. Still, one day, looking forward to it will help the happiness factor no end :)
Friday, September 2, 2011
Stepping from the Supermuscular Blue Oyster Bar, garbed in tight leather, and with scantily clad sidekick the (C)Leggless Liberal on a choke chain, here comes superhero Dave Cameron to the rescue again.
What a guy. Is it a bird, is it a plane, no.....it's Supermuscularliberalman!
Tough love. That's what is needed. Those riots weren't about race, they weren't about politics, instead they were because people need moral boundaries and tough love.
Ooo, love me toughly Dave, suits you sir!
Just which politicians and political parties presided over the dismantling of all moral boundaries and constants of behaviour Dave?
Who thought that abolishing all norms, creating an anything goes society, and peopling it with hundreds of different races and cultures was a great plan?
Not us, not the British people that's for sure, we're just the mugs picking up the pieces whilst you strut around like a superhero pretending to fix the problems which you and your ilk created to begin with.
The breakdown in law and order - of which the riots are just the most visible and headline grabbing incident - is entirely of political making.
You and yours made all this possible, you created a monster, and still you can't face up to that. There's nothing but excuses and soundbites.
Tough love? It's more like two fingers up and tough luck to the British people, another gimmicky catchphrase that will leave the real issues to fester untouched.
Tuesday, August 23, 2011
Interesting news from Liberia, where an error in the referendum on constitutional changes resulted in all possible votes on one question being identical.
Voters were supposed to be asked if judges should retire at 70 or 75, but the error meant that the ballot lists 75 twice, thus giving the voters no choice at all.
It also seems that the referendum organisers were fully aware of the error, but chose not to inform voters.
Don't go getting any ideas Dave Cameron, scratching your chin, and wondering if this might be a perfect way to give us that promised - but never delivered - referendum on our involvement with the EU.
"Do you want closer ties and further integration with the EU?"
"Yes?"
"Yes?"
Bet it's tempting though.
You could keep that pledge, deliver a referendum, and not have to risk needing to run it a couple more times until we gave the right answer, otherwise known as the answer which was the one you wanted all along and was the only answer which would be accepted.
It would be so wonderfully multicultural as well, you could claim to have enriched British politics and EU membership with enlightening wisdom from African elections.
No, no, don't go getting any ideas Dave.
Best we hush now before you spend that holiday in Cornwall lying in the sun and convincing yourself that it might be something worth trying, that "honest guv, it was a typo!" might just work.
Wednesday, July 20, 2011
Don't believe us? It's true.
In a matter of hours bookmakers Ladbrokes slashed the odds of Cameron resigning from office from 100/1 to 20/1 and now to 8/1.
The move comes as a lot of people are backing him at the bookies - to quit.
"This bears all the hallmarks of a massive public gamble. People up and down the land are queueing out of the door of our shops to back the PM to walk" said Alex Donohue of Ladbrokes.
Only Chris Huhne at 2/1 and Andrew Lansley at 6/1 are reckoned more likely to quit according to the bookmakers. Dismal Ken Clarke also weighs in at 8/1 and Vince Cable is at 10/1.
Even at 8/1 that has to be worth a flutter. A couple quid on that and, if Dhimmi Dave does go, there will be the beer money to celebrate the collapse of the confused debacle that has been ConDem.
